Comments on: Pune’s too expensive, outsource to Nashik – Interview of Sushrut Bidwai (StartupForStartups) http://punetech.com/punes-too-expensive-outsource-to-nashik-interview-of-sushrut-bidwai-startupforstartups/ Connecting together Pune's Technologists Tue, 27 Mar 2012 04:59:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Atul http://punetech.com/punes-too-expensive-outsource-to-nashik-interview-of-sushrut-bidwai-startupforstartups/#comment-45723 Atul Wed, 06 Oct 2010 04:49:14 +0000 http://punetech.com/?p=393#comment-45723 Hello, 1) Programmers are CHEAP in Nasik - People know the salaries, like in pune/b'lore how much the companies paid for same year of experience. See you want talent and for that you need to spent some money. There are lots people I know which are from Nashik and want to relocate to nashik but people will relocate only when they will get good salaries as well as quality work. 2) If trained well they can beat the crap out of any programmer from pune/bangalore. - Yes I agree but the experince always matters. 3) Attrition rates are very low - Less oportunities is the only reason for this. Great efforts by Sushrut to start his organization from Nashik. All the best to him. Hello,

1) Programmers are CHEAP in Nasik – People know the salaries, like in pune/b’lore how much the companies paid for same year of experience. See you want talent and for that you need to spent some money. There are lots people I know which are from Nashik and want to relocate to nashik but people will relocate only when they will get good salaries as well as quality work.
2) If trained well they can beat the crap out of any programmer from pune/bangalore. – Yes I agree but the experince always matters.
3) Attrition rates are very low – Less oportunities is the only reason for this.

Great efforts by Sushrut to start his organization from Nashik.
All the best to him.

]]> By: savepune http://punetech.com/punes-too-expensive-outsource-to-nashik-interview-of-sushrut-bidwai-startupforstartups/#comment-8053 savepune Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:41:00 +0000 http://punetech.com/?p=393#comment-8053 Dear all, I happened to read this blog late (since the original was posted somewhere in sep08). But nevertheless there are some interesting facts that I have experienced with people coming to Pune (this wonderful city where I am from) from different parts of India & Maharashtra. I will like to put those in this comment. But one thing I would like to highlight here (this is IMHO) - most (i mean around 30-50% in avg exp range of 3-5yrs) of the software professionals try to switch jobs frequently (may be say after 2 to 3 years of tenure). So the question here is are the upcoming places ready to meet this tough requirement in terms of suitable jobs for such professionals with just handful of startups or MNCs? Will there be any choice left for such professionals that would offer them high end technology to work on, choice in their career path, onsite site opportunities, etc.? I have some of my friends from such places where IT is taking a bit of boom who seriously denied to return back in-spite of one of the best offers in terms of package and role just because of the couple of reasons that I mentioned above. I would say rather this is a humble effort to promote/market up-coming areas/places for IT companies (it may be startups/established/MNCs, etc) just because Mumbai & Pune are now getting expensive cities in terms of infrastructure, services, skilled/highly man power (especially IT professionals). Dear all,

I happened to read this blog late (since the original was posted somewhere in sep08). But nevertheless there are some interesting facts that I have experienced with people coming to Pune (this wonderful city where I am from) from different parts of India & Maharashtra. I will like to put those in this comment.

But one thing I would like to highlight here (this is IMHO) – most (i mean around 30-50% in avg exp range of 3-5yrs) of the software professionals try to switch jobs frequently (may be say after 2 to 3 years of tenure). So the question here is are the upcoming places ready to meet this tough requirement in terms of suitable jobs for such professionals with just handful of startups or MNCs? Will there be any choice left for such professionals that would offer them high end technology to work on, choice in their career path, onsite site opportunities, etc.?

I have some of my friends from such places where IT is taking a bit of boom who seriously denied to return back in-spite of one of the best offers in terms of package and role just because of the couple of reasons that I mentioned above.

I would say rather this is a humble effort to promote/market up-coming areas/places for IT companies (it may be startups/established/MNCs, etc) just because Mumbai & Pune are now getting expensive cities in terms of infrastructure, services, skilled/highly man power (especially IT professionals).

]]> By: boldboy http://punetech.com/punes-too-expensive-outsource-to-nashik-interview-of-sushrut-bidwai-startupforstartups/#comment-6880 boldboy Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:24:49 +0000 http://punetech.com/?p=393#comment-6880 well..well... This is the age old discussion that always goes on for Nasik (or for that matter any other smaller cities). Companies come over here because they want CHEAP labour. When they get that they start look out for quality in them which sometimes (I said sometimes) could not get it and hence they start complaining that overall resource quality in Nashik is not good. But my dear friends, remember the golden rule - If you throw peanuts you waill always get monkeys. Come on people are people...you need to pay them well to get good quality work because they also need money to spend on MacD, Dominos or anything else just like young ones in Mumbai or Pune..It is only when people over here do not get enough money they don't feel like working..I hope companies would read and listen this basic fact. well..well…
This is the age old discussion that always goes on for Nasik (or for that matter any other smaller cities). Companies come over here because they want CHEAP labour. When they get that they start look out for quality in them which sometimes (I said sometimes) could not get it and hence they start complaining that overall resource quality in Nashik is not good. But my dear friends, remember the golden rule – If you throw peanuts you waill always get monkeys. Come on people are people…you need to pay them well to get good quality work because they also need money to spend on MacD, Dominos or anything else just like young ones in Mumbai or Pune..It is only when people over here do not get enough money they don’t feel like working..I hope companies would read and listen this basic fact.

]]> By: Prashant http://punetech.com/punes-too-expensive-outsource-to-nashik-interview-of-sushrut-bidwai-startupforstartups/#comment-6434 Prashant Sun, 17 May 2009 19:28:40 +0000 http://punetech.com/?p=393#comment-6434 well it might be late commenting on the topic, But still i want to do so (because having feelings for Nashik) 1)Programmers are CHEAP in Nasik => Well Programmers (forthcoming too) from Nashik Must think of this point that entrepreneurs are making bussiness coz their low salary expectations (or Demand). This Might be the reason why most of us (programmers) drive to pune after having enough experience from our home town (and with low salaries) => Conclusion:-( as i think) There wont be much experienced resources available there in Nashik(Might be at SFS too) itself afterall money matters and for that programmers do opt for pune.(coz no matter they started working on low salaries but one year experience will be enough to get double in pune) Guys think of it... (comments are most welcome) well it might be late commenting on the topic, But still i want to do so (because having feelings for Nashik)
1)Programmers are CHEAP in Nasik
=> Well Programmers (forthcoming too) from Nashik Must think of this point that entrepreneurs are making bussiness coz their low salary expectations (or Demand).
This Might be the reason why most of us (programmers) drive to pune after having enough experience from our home town (and with low salaries)
=> Conclusion:-( as i think) There wont be much experienced resources available there in Nashik(Might be at SFS too) itself afterall money matters and for that programmers do opt for pune.(coz no matter they started working on low salaries but one year experience will be enough to get double in pune)

Guys think of it… (comments are most welcome)

]]> By: Kunal http://punetech.com/punes-too-expensive-outsource-to-nashik-interview-of-sushrut-bidwai-startupforstartups/#comment-5731 Kunal Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:00:29 +0000 http://punetech.com/?p=393#comment-5731 I know i am super late commenting on this old post... my 2 cents 1) Programmers are CHEAP in Nasik 2) If trained well they can beat the crap out of any programmer from pune/bangalore 3) Attrition rates are v low I know this coz i have hired 5 programmers from nasik and they are fantastic! they are ready to put in 12hrs everyday non stop... have the thirst to learn more and make a good team... About SFS well its a smart thing for them to set up shop in nasik... it works for them n for anyone who needs an app to be developed for cheap... I know i am super late commenting on this old post… my 2 cents
1) Programmers are CHEAP in Nasik
2) If trained well they can beat the crap out of any programmer from pune/bangalore
3) Attrition rates are v low

I know this coz i have hired 5 programmers from nasik and they are fantastic! they are ready to put in 12hrs everyday non stop… have the thirst to learn more and make a good team…

About SFS well its a smart thing for them to set up shop in nasik… it works for them n for anyone who needs an app to be developed for cheap…

]]> By: Ramesh http://punetech.com/punes-too-expensive-outsource-to-nashik-interview-of-sushrut-bidwai-startupforstartups/#comment-4816 Ramesh Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:04:01 +0000 http://punetech.com/?p=393#comment-4816 @Rashmi.. "If the motive is to pursue an idea coz they do not have one, where does paying for the development comes into picture. I, personally would not buy this logic to develop an idea." My Comments. If Sybrant has its own idea, probably Sybrant would have ended up being a product oriented company selling products which market might demand. B'coz Sybrant is a company that services Innovation its there in the Outsourcing industry.. If sybrant would have an idea of its own, probably customers wouldnot have approached them.. In IT Industry you need to understand what your customer thinks/wants.. If you have the capability of delivering the thoughts that are in the minds of the customer, You can succeed in the IT Outsourcing Business, else you will remain narrowing your thoughts to a small segment. Probably, Outsourcing Business wont suit you. You might end up searching and searching and searching for customers who syncs w/ your thoughts.. I can bet not many!!! @Rashmi.. “If the motive is to pursue an idea coz they do not have one, where does paying for the development comes into picture. I, personally would not buy this logic to develop an idea.”

My Comments. If Sybrant has its own idea, probably Sybrant would have ended up being a product oriented company selling products which market might demand.

B’coz Sybrant is a company that services Innovation its there in the Outsourcing industry..

If sybrant would have an idea of its own, probably customers wouldnot have approached them.. In IT Industry you need to understand what your customer thinks/wants.. If you have the capability of delivering the thoughts that are in the minds of the customer, You can succeed in the IT Outsourcing Business, else you will remain narrowing your thoughts to a small segment. Probably, Outsourcing Business wont suit you. You might end up searching and searching and searching for customers who syncs w/ your thoughts.. I can bet not many!!!

]]> By: Amey Purandare http://punetech.com/punes-too-expensive-outsource-to-nashik-interview-of-sushrut-bidwai-startupforstartups/#comment-4669 Amey Purandare Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:28:54 +0000 http://punetech.com/?p=393#comment-4669 I believe in the idea. IT outsourcing shouldn't remain confined to just the big cities like Bangalore, Pune and Noida. It should be a PAN-India phenomenon. I believe in the idea. IT outsourcing shouldn’t remain confined to just the big cities like Bangalore, Pune and Noida. It should be a PAN-India phenomenon.

]]> By: navin http://punetech.com/punes-too-expensive-outsource-to-nashik-interview-of-sushrut-bidwai-startupforstartups/#comment-4330 navin Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:05:38 +0000 http://punetech.com/?p=393#comment-4330 @AM, I should also mention that there is an interesting discussion going on about this topic on the <a href="http://punetech.com/wiki/POCC" rel="nofollow">Pune OpenCoffee Club</a> mailing list. See <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/punestartups/browse_thread/thread/42d3be9bfc360761" rel="nofollow">here</a>. There appear to be opinions from both sides of the fence. You should check it out. @AM, I should also mention that there is an interesting discussion going on about this topic on the Pune OpenCoffee Club mailing list. See here. There appear to be opinions from both sides of the fence. You should check it out.

]]> By: navin http://punetech.com/punes-too-expensive-outsource-to-nashik-interview-of-sushrut-bidwai-startupforstartups/#comment-4329 navin Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:30:39 +0000 http://punetech.com/?p=393#comment-4329 @AM, that is an arguable point. There is no dearth of examples of people who started a company and outsourced the development to someone else. I could come up with 10 or more Pune-based startups that have done that, and I'm sure in reality there are many more. This doesn't mean that the founders are not involved. They are handling the customers: the sales, marketing, business development. They are also deciding what the product should do. Only the development is outsourced. Think of it this way: the technology might not be the "core" of your company, in which case outsourcing it might be fine. @AM, that is an arguable point. There is no dearth of examples of people who started a company and outsourced the development to someone else. I could come up with 10 or more Pune-based startups that have done that, and I’m sure in reality there are many more.

This doesn’t mean that the founders are not involved. They are handling the customers: the sales, marketing, business development. They are also deciding what the product should do. Only the development is outsourced.

Think of it this way: the technology might not be the “core” of your company, in which case outsourcing it might be fine.

]]> By: AM http://punetech.com/punes-too-expensive-outsource-to-nashik-interview-of-sushrut-bidwai-startupforstartups/#comment-4327 AM Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:29:17 +0000 http://punetech.com/?p=393#comment-4327 The whole point of doing a startup is that you (the founders) actively participate in the bottom up creation of your "company". For start-ups the concept/Product IS your company. Outsourcing the core of your company to another team seems very conter-productive at the least. Granted, if you do not have core competencies in the areas then you may be tempted to do this...but in that case you have no business starting the company in the first place. The whole point of doing a startup is that you (the founders) actively participate in the bottom up creation of your “company”. For start-ups the concept/Product IS your company. Outsourcing the core of your company to another team seems very conter-productive at the least.
Granted, if you do not have core competencies in the areas then you may be tempted to do this…but in that case you have no business starting the company in the first place.

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